Atomicorp

I warned you. Breun warned you. Everyone who has great amounts of experience warned you. You cannot save people from themselves.

http://3es.atomicrocketturtle.com/channels/plesk/9.0.0/

This means we all get to point and laugh at you when things go wrong instead of giving any meaningful advice right?

And so it begins....lol

I'm sorry that post just made me giggle. Hints of offline PMs me thinks.

The Disclaimer (as I spent this evening doing legal stuff)

I hereby shift the blame and responsibility of upgrading or using Plesk 9, and squarely dump it on the good people at Parallels. I shall hereby call this the Plesk Sloppy Shoulders syndrome.

You do know that Scott and I are Plesk founders right? So you can safely ignore the fact that we are not upgrading our boxes to 9.0 right now.

Seriously, always wait for a point release with most products, except ASL of course! We NEVER have any bugs in our products either!

I'm aware of that, but from how far back (version wise) I don't know.

I just love shiney new things, or though reading the posts at the swsoft forums I'm not as convinced as I was.

For starters, no migration manager until after 9.0.1, yup after. That can't be good. Why someone would commit a system to market without full functionality is a mystery.

Makes the MS Vista release look problem free

Matt (2am and off to bed)

So what you're saying is that the guys that founded the company, that have been running linux since it was called "freax" , maintain countless open source projects and have worked everywhere from the white house to enron and UN... our opinions hold as much weight as the 0-day users with a lemminglike disregard for self induced calamity?

Yeah thanks man. Way to encourage the unpaid volunteers

No, what I'm saying is this version needed more testing before it was released. I do not doubt the skills of any coders or founders, but like in the development of anything, from an email to a highly advanced software platform checking or testing is everything, otherwise people start to lose faith in the product.

After being part of a development a testing team for a cutting edge training platform for over 3 years, I know that mistakes, how simple and silly they may seem, sometimes go unnoticed. The company I worked for use to only allow us so much time for testing, and even then the product would still have functionality problems.

In most cases I find it's not the fault of the developers, but more the pressure and deadlines they are under to deliver the product.

I apologies if my pervious comment came across the wrong way, but it wasn't meant as a bitch, it was a question. Why has the product been released with some of the functionality/features like the migration manager missing?


Matt

If I had to hazard a guess, Id say one problem is that they've got too much on their plate. They're supporting a lot of operating systems and having to put a good chunk of the resources into dealing with integration issues at that level. Take something like postfix for example, that doesn't exist as a mac package. So you've got to build that, and all its dependencies for that environment. Which inevitably will cause a conflict with something else, like say it came with the mysql 4 client libraries, and what youre using needs mysql 5. If you upgrade to mysql 5, then youve got to re-link everything that linked to mysql 4.. which is perl, php, python, etc. Its like wack-a-mole, the problem keeps growing (note: This is why until now I had avoided doing httpd updates. Same problem!)

Plus add on to that youve got teams maintaining the other control panels, Helm, Ensim, Confixx, p-soft, and sphera. AND integration teams for Plesk Expand, HSP Complete.. Thats a lot of distractions

The Product was released as an unannounced beta . The want to get the most users looking at it and testing it to work out the final bugs.

At least that is the way I look at most x.0 releases of any software / game /etc...

I've notice they have been buying alot this year. I think (but not sure) they now own all but cPanel which is a major spending spree by anyones estimates.

It will be interesting to see where cPanel goes from here as far as there future development. I still do development work for clients using cPanel.

Matt

Hopefully they'll go public, so I can finally sell my stock!

Surprised they haven't. Well you never know your luck.

Pff... you dont know my luck

Scott, I've just got the Plesk Autoinstaller on, and even though I'm keeping clear of Plesk 9 for now, is it safe to use the autoinstaller through the Plesk interface.

I noticed that now it's on it has flagged up a exclamation mark by "Base packages of Plesk". I've read there are some more updates to 8.6.0 with a critical one that was released in November (so I read) something to do with a vulnerability.

I have been using yum update, but according to tha plesk cp my current version is psa v8.6.0_build86080722.00 os_CentOS 5.

Matt

sure, the 8.6 stuff is pretty well sorted out

Cool, thanks scott

Matt