Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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faris wrote:Unfortunately we are being pressed to move to Plesk 10 and I really don't want to.

There's nothing wrong with 8.6 (which is what we use on all our systems). The only features we don't have that I need are Apache 2.2.x and the new SiteBuilder.
Forced by who? You pay the server lease don't you?

I have a server at Codero with Plesk 10. That is the default they install but if you ask they will install 9.5 which will migrate much better. With the application pack you get sitebuilder. I am not promoting them but pointing out that you do have options. I suggest you tell whoever is "forcing" you to upgrade you will if they will migrate for you and guarantee everything will work ... and keep the existing server online in case you need to switch back in face of problems. My guess is they won't agree....move on.
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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Is Site Builder compatible with PHP 5.2.17?

Should I just upgrade to Plesk 9.5 and stay away from 10 for now?

What I refer to an an upgrade is actually a reload of the OS, Virtuozzo, and Plesk, and then migrating in data. If I go to Plesk 9.5 now I am paying an SUS fee to upgrade to not the most current release.

I need to install numerous servers this weekend and would apprecaite some good, solid answers on 9.5 vs. 10.1.
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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KrazyBob wrote:Is Site Builder compatible with PHP 5.2.17?

Should I just upgrade to Plesk 9.5 and stay away from 10 for now?

What I refer to an an upgrade is actually a reload of the OS, Virtuozzo, and Plesk, and then migrating in data. If I go to Plesk 9.5 now I am paying an SUS fee to upgrade to not the most current release.

I need to install numerous servers this weekend and would apprecaite some good, solid answers on 9.5 vs. 10.1.
I cannot make the final decision for you. I suggest you spend some time reading forums related to migrating to plesk 10 and take into account my personal experience. If I knew then what I know now I would have gone to 9.5 or Cpanel ... Cpanel will migrate for you free of charge. I had sitebuilder on 8.5 and after many upgrades to PHP etc. it never failed to function.
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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stuffdone wrote:I cannot make the final decision for you. I suggest you spend some time reading forums related to migrating to plesk 10 and take into account my personal experience. If I knew then what I know now I would have gone to 9.5 or Cpanel ... Cpanel will migrate for you free of charge. I had sitebuilder on 8.5 and after many upgrades to PHP etc. it never failed to function.
No, of course you can't and your experience matters. I have read the forums and I have installed/updated/upgraded/migrated many times since Ensim. But the Plesk 10 thingy just seems to really bork stuff...
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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KrazyBob wrote:But the Plesk 10 thingy just seems to really bork stuff...
As Bill Engval might say, "Here's your sign". :)

I am moving to Cpanal after only two weeks of v10. Remember also if you migrate Plesk to Plesk you may be on your own where CPanel will migrate your server free.

I have had a huge rash of DNS issues and found Plesk "borked" zone files as well as email accounts.

Word to the wise....and all that.
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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stuffdone wrote:
Forced by who? You pay the server lease don't you?
Not forced. Pressed. By our customers and resellers. They want the shiny new features that make life a misery when they go wrong when you try to upgrade :-)

Honestly -- humans! Bah! They are so easy to brainwash by shiny things. Just look at the queues for the Ipad2 in the UK today!
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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I am to understand that Plesk 10.1 no longer shows the server admin. anything in the application vault? Mine is empty but if I setup a dummy domain IT can see the applications.
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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I just upgraded a test box from 9.5.3 to 10.2.0 and I got to say I am quite horrified by what I have found, and the absolute lack of all the configuration parameters and pages, as well as the changes to the account creation process.

With the subject of templates, branding, customization, hiding buttons/sections, advertisements all over the place (even though they are all turned off) and the constant warnings that making a change to the default service plan is against a server policy - and gives you no where to view or change this policy, and the many more confusing changes and port changes (updater now runs on a different port), the biggest problem is that the API doesn't work the same anymore.

Previously we used to create an account, and all that was required was the basics:
username, password, phone, email, country and a user template ("template-name" xml node) to create the account, and set the account defaults. This template is what sets the basic and global settings for each, and sets a base disk and bw limit of Xgb - knowing that we will change it immediately.

So know when we use the same exact API call that our system was already using, it seems to work just fine, however the customer can not login.
"Error: Access denied. There are no subscriptions available for this account."

Not having your API be backwards compatible or at least throw an error is horrible.

On top of that, in order to create a subscription they have to have provided you with a domain name.
WTF?

Why would you give such a hurdle to a sign up process?
yes I know in order to have web hosting work you need a domain name, but in our point of view we just want to take their money and set them up with an account - we don't care if they never setup a domain name or not.

Now we are forcing them to have this domain name already before they can buy web hosting - instead of potentially buying hosting and then getting a domain name later. This is a poor user experience.

Now we try and "set account limits" for that customer based on the plan they purchased - using the client set methods to set disk space and bandwidth, etc - it gives back an "OK" - but never changes in the control panel - even after half hour and logging out and back in several times.

Not to mention one thing that is very annoying aside from the loads of spam advertising in the application vault and not being able to find anythign anymore is that when a new domain gets created, it is created like a full blown domain in /var/www/vhosts - however when you go to that disk path there is never an httpdocs folder and there is no indication where the web files actually are.

This means that our support staff actually has to login into the control panel in order to find out where the files are, and then relay that to the admin staff who do the support escalations.

Plesk could have made this so much easier on everyone...
As it stands there is no way we could use this product in our production environment and so we have to start looking at Cpanel instead as we cant sit still in our control panel offering too long or we become obsolete.

Its just going to be a pain migrating dozens (almost 100) of servers to another provider, which makes me even more mad lol !

Now I am trying to figure out how to downgrade a test machine back to 9.5 :)
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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Well we have decided to stick with 8.6 for the forseeable future. I honestly thought Plesk 10 was going to be OK, but it seems not.

If only 8.6 had Apache 2.2 support I'd be happy. Oh well :-(
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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for what its worth 9.5 is a decent upgrade from 8.x - but I would stay away from 10 like the plague!
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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faris wrote:If only 8.6 had Apache 2.2 support I'd be happy.
It seems like Plesk 8.6 is supported on distributions that carry Apache 2.2, like for instance RHEL/CentOS 5, so apparently Plesk 8.6 does support Apache 2.2.
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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But sadly Parallels has already stated that the will EOL Plesk 8.x very soon. As it is now it takes days to get even an initial reply if you have a failure that requires a trouble ticket. DAYS. It really feels as if Parallels only cares about the larger enterprise customers. We have over 100 servers and still we can't get quick service.
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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completely agree - we are looking at stabilizing on the 9.5 tree while we look into moving off to another provider, most likely cpanel, especially now that asl is supported on that platform (may still be in alpha/beta - but still waiting for the windows version that they started talking about 2 years ago :) )
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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breun wrote:
faris wrote:If only 8.6 had Apache 2.2 support I'd be happy.
It seems like Plesk 8.6 is supported on distributions that carry Apache 2.2, like for instance RHEL/CentOS 5, so apparently Plesk 8.6 does support Apache 2.2.
This is true. I posted incorrectly. What I really want is 2.2 under Centos 4 and Plesk 8.6 which I can't have :-)
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Re: Plesk 10 Migration Failure

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As to Centos 4, don't forget that End of Life for C4 is Feb 29, 2012, so plan your upgrade path now.

C4 is currently in maintenance mode which means no hardware updates or other updates except for security errata and select mission critical bug fixes. There will be few, if any, Update Sets released:

http://www.centos.org/modules/smartfaq/faq.php?faqid=42
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