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Posted: Sun Oct 19, 2008 3:09 pm
by faris
Hmm... but thinking about it, Scott has httpd-debuginfo installed and he was still getting segfaults.

However, I think it may be related to moving bits of memory around, and the amount of memory installed and stuff like that.

Faris.

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 5:30 pm
by hostingguy
aus-city wrote:Its STILL behaving :(
This is the only time I can remember where some one reported that something was working with a frown :p

Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 7:57 pm
by scott
Haha :P we were trying to get a repeatable environment of it crashing so we could test fixes.

Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 8:39 am
by faris
I think I can add a little more info now, though in a relatively non-technical and somewhat "guessful" way.

From my monitoring of memory usage and segfaults, it would appear that one possible cause of the problem is that apache is failing to release memory it no longer needs, or at any rate is getting confused when it comes to memory.

Where this comes into the equation, and why adding the debug stuff solves the problem for some people is beyond my knowledge.


Faris.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 2:06 pm
by aus-city
faris,

Its still behaving with the debug running - go figure it must be changing the memory enough its not happening anymore.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:00 pm
by hostingguy
Are you guys using the httpd-2.2.3-11.el5_2.centos.4 build ?

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:06 pm
by faris
No.

I'm on httpd-2.0.63-2.el4s1.centos.2 for these particular ones.

I think this is from the centosplus repo (for centos 4)

Faris.

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 4:21 pm
by hostingguy
are you able to use the 2.2.x branch on centos/rhel 4 or are you limited to 2.0 ?

is the problem only occuring on 2.0 ?

Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 8:55 pm
by scott
neat, I hadn't been tracking the 2.2.x packages for C4. Does that work with Plesk?

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 10:06 am
by faris
We are starting to see segfaults again, but only occasionally. I had put a freeze on updating the rules since this started, but recently did some updates.

Although I'm still disabling the domain-blacklists I guess the other rules files have increased in size or complexity since I last updated.

Over the weekend I'm going to try adding the debug thing to see if that helps.

There also seems to be a new version of httpd for centos. Who knows, that may also help.

Faris.

Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:56 pm
by hostingguy
scott wrote:neat, I hadn't been tracking the 2.2.x packages for C4. Does that work with Plesk?
Seems to work ok. I get only a couple of seg faults across a lot of servers and am not sure it even applies to this situation.

Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 11:07 am
by scott
Thats awesome, where did that come from, centosplus?

For those that see the segfaults

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 12:25 pm
by mikeshinn
What apache modules are you using? We've found that mod_memcache definitely causes this to happen on all systems its used on.

Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:23 pm
by faris
removing mod_memcache doesn't seem to have any effect with respect to the segfaults on VPSes.

And as I recall it didn't have any effect on hostinguy's dedicated server either.

Any other modules installed?

Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:27 am
by mikeshinn
And does this only happen with VPS systems?