Is Plesk 9 in ART?

Unread post by **scott** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 8:52 pm

I warned you. Breun warned you. Everyone who has great amounts of experience warned you. You cannot save people from themselves.

http://3es.atomicrocketturtle.com/channels/plesk/9.0.0/

This means we all get to point and laugh at you when things go wrong instead of giving any meaningful advice right?

laughingbuddha · Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:35 pm

And so it begins....lol

I'm sorry that post just made me giggle. Hints of offline PMs me thinks.

The Disclaimer (as I spent this evening doing legal stuff)

I hereby shift the blame and responsibility of upgrading or using Plesk 9, and squarely dump it on the good people at Parallels. I shall hereby call this the Plesk Sloppy Shoulders syndrome.

Unread post by **mikeshinn** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 9:54 pm

You do know that Scott and I are Plesk founders right? So you can safely ignore the fact that we are not upgrading our boxes to 9.0 right now.

Seriously, always wait for a point release with most products, except ASL of course! We NEVER have any bugs in our products either!

laughingbuddha · Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:06 pm

I'm aware of that, but from how far back (version wise) I don't know.

I just love shiney new things, or though reading the posts at the swsoft forums I'm not as convinced as I was.

For starters, no migration manager until after 9.0.1, yup after. That can't be good. Why someone would commit a system to market without full functionality is a mystery.

Makes the MS Vista release look problem free

Matt (2am and off to bed)

Unread post by **scott** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 12:22 am

So what you're saying is that the guys that founded the company, that have been running linux since it was called "freax" , maintain countless open source projects and have worked everywhere from the white house to enron and UN... our opinions hold as much weight as the 0-day users with a lemminglike disregard for self induced calamity?

Yeah thanks man. Way to encourage the unpaid volunteers

laughingbuddha · Mon Dec 15, 2008 8:46 am

No, what I'm saying is this version needed more testing before it was released. I do not doubt the skills of any coders or founders, but like in the development of anything, from an email to a highly advanced software platform checking or testing is everything, otherwise people start to lose faith in the product.

After being part of a development a testing team for a cutting edge training platform for over 3 years, I know that mistakes, how simple and silly they may seem, sometimes go unnoticed. The company I worked for use to only allow us so much time for testing, and even then the product would still have functionality problems.

In most cases I find it's not the fault of the developers, but more the pressure and deadlines they are under to deliver the product.

I apologies if my pervious comment came across the wrong way, but it wasn't meant as a bitch, it was a question. Why has the product been released with some of the functionality/features like the migration manager missing?

Matt

Unread post by **scott** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:45 am

If I had to hazard a guess, Id say one problem is that they've got too much on their plate. They're supporting a lot of operating systems and having to put a good chunk of the resources into dealing with integration issues at that level. Take something like postfix for example, that doesn't exist as a mac package. So you've got to build that, and all its dependencies for that environment. Which inevitably will cause a conflict with something else, like say it came with the mysql 4 client libraries, and what youre using needs mysql 5. If you upgrade to mysql 5, then youve got to re-link everything that linked to mysql 4.. which is perl, php, python, etc. Its like wack-a-mole, the problem keeps growing (note: This is why until now I had avoided doing httpd updates. Same problem!)

Plus add on to that youve got teams maintaining the other control panels, Helm, Ensim, Confixx, p-soft, and sphera. AND integration teams for Plesk Expand, HSP Complete.. Thats a lot of distractions

Galactic Zero · Mon Dec 15, 2008 11:50 am

The Product was released as an unannounced beta

. The want to get the most users looking at it and testing it to work out the final bugs.

At least that is the way I look at most x.0 releases of any software / game /etc...

laughingbuddha · Mon Dec 15, 2008 2:38 pm

I've notice they have been buying alot this year. I think (but not sure) they now own all but cPanel which is a major spending spree by anyones estimates.

It will be interesting to see where cPanel goes from here as far as there future development. I still do development work for clients using cPanel.

Matt

Unread post by **scott** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 3:37 pm

Hopefully they'll go public, so I can finally sell my stock!

laughingbuddha · Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:17 pm

Surprised they haven't. Well you never know your luck.

Unread post by **scott** » Mon Dec 15, 2008 5:23 pm

Pff... you dont know my luck

laughingbuddha · Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:12 am

Scott, I've just got the Plesk Autoinstaller on, and even though I'm keeping clear of Plesk 9 for now, is it safe to use the autoinstaller through the Plesk interface.

I noticed that now it's on it has flagged up a exclamation mark by "Base packages of Plesk". I've read there are some more updates to 8.6.0 with a critical one that was released in November (so I read) something to do with a vulnerability.

I have been using yum update, but according to tha plesk cp my current version is psa v8.6.0_build86080722.00 os_CentOS 5.

Matt

Unread post by **scott** » Wed Dec 17, 2008 11:22 am

sure, the 8.6 stuff is pretty well sorted out

laughingbuddha · Wed Dec 17, 2008 8:41 pm

Cool, thanks scott

Matt